Computer for gaming.?

Q. I have about 1200$. What type of computer can I get that will run new games like BIOSHOCK or Orange Box smoothly? I know I want at least 3 gigs of ram, or else enough money to spare to upgrade it.
Thanks

A. I think $1200 is not enough. I recommend you build your own.

High End Gaming Computer
$75 Case: ATX Mid Tower
$110 Power supply 650 watt or larger, SLI certified a plus
$180 Motherboard ATX; LGA 775 ; 2 PCI express x16 slots
$280 Core 2 Quad Q6600
$140 4 GB Dual Channel 800Mhz RAM
$249 Nvidia 8800GTS (1 ea,)
$35 CD/DVD 20x Burner
$120 500 GB SATA II Hard Drive
$180 Vista Ultimate OEM
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$1369 USD Prices per new egg.com

Substitute Core 2 Duo E6550 2333 MHz $157 for Core 2 Quad Q6600 $280
$280-$157 =$123

$1369-$123 = $1246

Substitute 8600GTS for 8800GTS
$270-$133= $137

$1246 - $137 = $1109

Optional:
Prices per new egg.com
$45 Logitech MX518 or Logitech G5
$58 Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
$270 SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22" 2 ms
Widescreen LCD Monitor

$90 Logitech THX Z-5300e 280 Watts RMS 5.1 Speaker
http://www.google.com/products?q=Logitech+THX+Z-5300e&scoring=p
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My opinion for a new computer processor to run Vista:
For non gaming a Rendering Time of 1:59 or less
For gaming a Rendering Time of 1:33 or less (1.20 or less preferred)
Refer to:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html
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Rendering time, lower number is faster per
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html
Core 2 Duo E4300 1800 MHz $129.99
Rendering time = 1:54
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Processor 6000+ $159.99
Rendering time = 1:27
Core 2 Duo E6550 2333 MHz $157.39
Rendering time = 1:27
Core 2 Duo E6750 2666 MHz $175.39
Rendering time = 1:17
Core 2 Duo E6850 3000 MHz $279.99
Rendering time = 1:09
Core 2 Quad Q6600 $279.99
Rendering time = 0:47
Core 2 Extreme QX6850 $1034.99
Rendering time = 0:39

Prices per newegg.com
I recommend you use a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad CPU
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Motherboard
ATX (not ATX micro)
775 socket will take Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Core2 Extreme
Maximum RAM 8GB or more
1000 MHz or faster FSB
2PCI express X16 slots
(careful some cheap ones are only X8 internally)
8 channel audio
5 star rating and at least 10 reviews.

this leaves 3 choices
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010200280+1070509908+1073607588+1075707618+1074007596&Configurator=&Subcategory=280&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
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My opinion for a new video card:
For playing the latest advanced games a FRAPS (frames per second) of 50 or higher (80 or higher ideal)
For moderate games a FRAPS of 30 or more.
For simple games or no games a FRAPS of 18 or more
Refer to:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
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FRAPS (frames per second); higher is better per
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html

NVIDIA 8600GTS ($133) FRAPS= 53.6
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=256-P2-N761-AR&pwindow=specs&family=23
400 Watt Minimum; 22 Amps minimum @ 12V rail

ATI Radeon HD 2900 PRO($280) FRAPS= 88.1 estimated
http://download.hightech.com.hk/manual/HD2900/radeon_hd2900_users_guide_2nded_137-41328-20.pdf
A 550 Watt or better power supply with two 2�3-pin PCIe� power connectors.

NVIDIA 8800GTS ($269) FRAPS=102.2
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=640-P2-N825-AR&family=23
400 Watt Minimum; 26 Amps minimum @ 12V rail .

ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT ($375) FRAPS = 108.6
http://download.hightech.com.hk/manual/HD2900/radeon_hd2900_users_guide_2nded_137-41328-20.pdf
A 550 Watt or better power supply with two 2�3-pin PCIe� power connectors.

NVIDIA 8800Ultra ($549) FRAPS=116.9
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=768-P2-N888-AR&family=23
500 Watt Minimum; 34 Amps minimum @ 12V rail .
Two available 6-pin Molex hard drive power dongles.

All support DirectX 10

Prices per
http://www.newegg.com
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Graphics card gaming performance charts:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=399&type=expert&pid=1
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1595&Itemid=40&limit=1&limitstart=2
Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html
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CPU gaming performance charts:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

CPU Benchmarks
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/index.php
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Higher performance video cards require more current from the 12 volt leg of the power supply that supplies the video card. This may require changing to a more powerful power supply. Determine the amps at 12 Volts the video card recommends and compare it to your existing power supply.

How to Buy a Power Supply
http://www.wikihow.com/Buy-a-Power-Supply
Nvidia SLI Certified Power Supplies
http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html
EVGA Approved Power Supplies
http://www.evga.com/articles/286.asp
ATI Radeon Crossfire Certified Power Supplies
http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/buildyourown2.html
Diamond Video Cards Certified Power Supplies
http://www.diamondmm.com/certified.php
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RAM
Changing from 800 MHz Dual Channel RAM to 1244 MHz Dual Channel Ram only increased performance 2%.
A 50+% increase in RAM speed only increased performance 2%.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/06/15/hardcore_ddr2_ram_by_corsair/page16.html

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GAMING COMputer??????

Q. ok so i have 1823$ to spend on a gaming computer
im just not sure what parts to get i have a dvd rom dont need one and i have vista and xp so dont need a os either

my friend says he will build it for me i just need to pick out the parts and he says newegg.com is the best

could u guys help me pick parts out from newegg.com for
1823$ including shipping and handling zip code is 79934

this would be really really apriciated thanks
free 10 points
sorry ima nvidia man and intel being that they're the best for now we'll see in a week or two when the 4870s i think are coming out

A. Hello, your friend is right about newegg if you live in the US. I assume you do even without checking the zip code.

First question, do you need a case, monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers,etc. ? Everything except dvd rom?

I would get these and I'll explain why below (Without the above):

1. Quad-core AMD, crossfirex ATI, AMD chipset, this is a spider platfrom motherboard =

MSI K9A2 Platinum AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130136

2. Quad-core 2.5 ghz processor =

AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION 2.5GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103249

3. HyperX ram, Kingston, High Quality and fast.

Kingston HyperX 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Quad Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134596

4. ATI Crossfire card, one of the best on the market

SAPPHIRE 100221SR Radeon HD 3870 X2 1GB (512MB x 2) 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102723

5. Western Digital (Get 1-2 maybe...)

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

6. Thermaltake power supply, 750 watts, 80%+ eff. CrossfireX AMD supported

Thermaltake W0116RU 750W Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version Power Supply 100 - 240 V CE, CB, TUV, FCC, UL, CUL, and BSMI certified - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153038

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Right now at $$1,224.94 without tax or shipping. This includes two hard drives. Now some people will tell you otherwise. I have been building computers for 15 years.

I choose quad-core amd, ati video, and amd chipset board so you can get the spider platform. All stuff is faster together. Also the motherboard supports crossfireX which you can always get another ATI HD 3870 X2 if you want. Also the motherboard can be upgrade with a 3.0 ghz processor later. And 4 gigs of HyperX ram is plenty. I didn't go with a 1TB hard drive because massive hard drives have bad quality control right. Plus I went Western Digital because most of the other hard drive brands have much higher failure rates. Thermaltake 750 watt because 750 will be enough, and the powersupply is over 80% efficent and thermaltake has nice no extra cost warranty on their products.

If you need otherstuff, I suggest a new case, I would have to adjust the other stuff a little. Please respond if you need monitor, case, keyboard, speakers, etc....

Suggestion: Being that you don't know what's good and you think Intel and Nvidia are the best, you better cough up more dough. Those computer specs are hard to beat for the money. You would need at least 2500+... I would suggest this case if you are a hardcore gamer...

LIAN LI PC-P80 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112159

But you can only get that if your going for the AMD ATI stuff... plus the newest video cards out for Nvidia are not SLI supported. I hope their next set is.

This link has a youtube video review for the case. It's worth watching even if you don't want the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWaEp408lgE

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